tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1944079581687608453.post3724651412871218010..comments2024-03-18T18:08:58.999+00:00Comments on Army Service Numbers 1881-1918: 2nd (City of London) Bn, The London Regiment (Royal Fusiliers)Paul Nixonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12354531380984476532noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1944079581687608453.post-36853652900278016282019-12-05T21:42:48.755+00:002019-12-05T21:42:48.755+00:00Satisfying when it slots into place isn't it, ...Satisfying when it slots into place isn't it, Martin? Thanks for posting.Paul Nixonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12354531380984476532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1944079581687608453.post-35343288665837300482019-12-02T20:21:56.676+00:002019-12-02T20:21:56.676+00:00Hi Paul,
I have just been browsing another soldie...Hi Paul,<br /><br />I have just been browsing another soldiers records (BWM & Victory). I found on the next page, a space where my Grandfather 233499 Pte HL Deamer would have been, and can also work out, by the number sequencing, that originally, he would have been given the London Regt Army number 8040, although this doesn't appear on his MIC, only 233499, and his Bedfordshire Regt 51902 which is on his authority for BWM/VM, and at the end of the War.<br /><br />Regards, Martin. Martin Deamerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00194580753230080872noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1944079581687608453.post-61601467159385216582018-10-27T08:14:43.714+01:002018-10-27T08:14:43.714+01:00Martin, no problem. The medal rolls are extant and...Martin, no problem. The medal rolls are extant and you can view them on Ancestry.Paul Nixonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12354531380984476532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1944079581687608453.post-77951022720489255032018-10-23T01:53:57.498+01:002018-10-23T01:53:57.498+01:00Thank you for your replies, I apologise for not ge...Thank you for your replies, I apologise for not getting back earlier, I saved this page in my bookmarks, and I was just reading through again, and saw your replies. I have found him in the National Archives, I knew that he was Beds and Herts (TF), so he obviously joined the Bedfords straight after the War, and he reamined in Territorial Service up and including WW2, obviously not deploying. I have his medals. Were the Medal Rolls destroyed in the Blitz too? WW1 era research is quite complicated, as Soldiers changed Pers No:s with transfer of Corps. He was 233499 (1/2nd Lond Regt) 51902 (Bedfordshire Regt) and 5943493 (Bedfordshire and Hertfordshire Regt) He was awarded the TFEM. Quite a coincidence, my last 3 was also 493! <br />Martin Deamerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00194580753230080872noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1944079581687608453.post-664072840256112402017-12-08T14:23:20.540+00:002017-12-08T14:23:20.540+00:00Hi Martin Dreamer, my G/Father Was 233861 who was ...Hi Martin Dreamer, my G/Father Was 233861 who was in the 2nd London Reg, he was captured in France in April 1918 spending the rest of the war in power camp working in salt mines in Germany, when I first tried to find his military details I was told no as was destroyed in ww2 blitzed, however as when he was released he applied for a war disability pension his docs or a copy of was sent to the army pensions depth, and that's where my sons many years later found a copy of all his military service records, it's worth a try for anyone out there looking records relating to those that served during the period of hostilities front Aug 14 to Nov 18,Regards..<br /><br />Stephen carliernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1944079581687608453.post-76923960072998670962017-12-03T07:31:32.452+00:002017-12-03T07:31:32.452+00:00Hello Martin, thank you for your comments. No, the...Hello Martin, thank you for your comments. No, there is no surviving record that would give you the date when he enlisted. However, it would be possible to work out when he joined the 2nd London Rgeiment, possibly when he proceeeded overseas, and when he transferred to the Bedfordshire Regiment. It may also be possible to determine the battalion of the Beds Regt that he served with - or at least second guess it. Drop me a line if you would like me to research this for you: paulcanixon@yahoo.co.ukPaul Nixonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12354531380984476532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1944079581687608453.post-63958808814192205702017-11-27T00:22:55.831+00:002017-11-27T00:22:55.831+00:00Hi Paul,
This is fascinating stuff indeed. i am r...Hi Paul,<br /><br />This is fascinating stuff indeed. i am researching some family Military History, and with times moving on, I am the oldest surviving Male, so no-one to ask! My Greandfather was 2nd Londoin Regiment, 233499, do you records indicate an enlistment date? Many thanks for your work, it is brilliant.<br /><br />Regards, Martin.Martin Deamerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00194580753230080872noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1944079581687608453.post-28218092377054338982015-05-26T15:55:42.685+01:002015-05-26T15:55:42.685+01:00Elaine
Bear in mind that the information I have p...Elaine<br /><br />Bear in mind that the information I have published does not cover all number series for all battalions and so it's likely that he belonged to another battalion other than those I've covered on this blog. If you'd like me to research him further please see the RESEARCH tab on this blog.<br /><br />PaulPaul Nixonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12354531380984476532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1944079581687608453.post-7912509012845473792015-05-24T22:09:09.465+01:002015-05-24T22:09:09.465+01:00Thanks for such an informative site. I have a que...Thanks for such an informative site. I have a query regarding 2nd Batt Royal Fusilier Sgt Edward Albert Davies, my great uncle, who died at Gallipoli 18 Oct 1915. According to your research on RF Army numbers, his number 4768 suggests he was assigned this between the dates 5/6/15 and 21/7/15. However, according to his service records (Medal card under A E Davies and Medal Award Rolls he entered the Balkans Theatre of War on 16/6/15 (A E Davies' Medal card) and 24/5/15 on the Service Medal Roll. I also have a copy of his will 8/5/15. What might this indicate as I am trying to trace his service history prior to being sent overseas.Elainenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1944079581687608453.post-58171402639456204612015-02-16T11:12:59.953+00:002015-02-16T11:12:59.953+00:00It's nothing to do with his status as a CO, Ma...It's nothing to do with his status as a CO, Martin, rather reflects the number series in use by the Royal Fusiliers to which the 2nd London Regt was affiliated. More here: http://www.1914-1918.net/TF_renumbering_infantry.htm<br /><br />Paul Paul Nixonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12354531380984476532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1944079581687608453.post-85909037560155519852015-02-15T20:40:07.293+00:002015-02-15T20:40:07.293+00:00I have a number of G/82638 for a Private Chinery o...I have a number of G/82638 for a Private Chinery of the 2nd Battalion, London Regiment, taken from the London Gazette 24 Jan 1919. Obviously this is a five digit number which doesn't seem to correspond to the list above. He was a Conscientious Objector who had previously been in the Army pre WW1 (service history unknown), and became a stretcher bearer in WW1. He was awarded the MM and bar. He had his tribunal in 1916 so I assumed he was enlisted shortly after then. Would a CO be issued with a number marking him out as such?Martin Youngnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1944079581687608453.post-56285912282012897212011-02-28T13:50:09.033+00:002011-02-28T13:50:09.033+00:00Mac
Thank you. My database - a fraction of which ...Mac<br /><br />Thank you. My database - a fraction of which appears on these blog posts - has been compiled as a result of spending thousands of hours recording enlistment dates and numbers on surviving attestation papers in WO 363, WO 364 and WO 97. Some medal index cards have also yielded similar information.<br /><br />PaulPaul Nixonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12354531380984476532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1944079581687608453.post-26343764279864729102011-02-28T11:14:27.229+00:002011-02-28T11:14:27.229+00:00I too must thank you for this list as I am researc...I too must thank you for this list as I am researching my uncle's service in the Regiment. I am curious though of the original source for the dates etc as the Regimental archives denied having a record of dates when numbers were issued. Thanks.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17795016641055454313noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1944079581687608453.post-32611135537917229912011-01-04T20:43:27.216+00:002011-01-04T20:43:27.216+00:00Mark, thanks for your compliments and Happy New Ye...Mark, thanks for your compliments and Happy New Year to you too.<br /><br />The 241*** number is certainly 2nd Bn RF but my numbers don't go as high as that. I'd guess he was transferred overseas and the range of numbers that 241833 falls into was probably within a block of numbers kept aside for men transferring into the 2nd Battalion from other units. The G/ number would appear to be a Royal Fusiliers number - as opposed to a 2nd London Regt number - and I'm pretty sure that at some point in time, late on in the war, those London Regt battns that were affiliated to other line infantry regiments, took on the numbering in those regiments. I have chapter and verse on iut somewhere but I just can't lay my hands on it at the moment.<br /><br />The G/ prefix though is definitely RF rather than ASC. There is a note on his card that says he was incorrectly carded. <br /><br />It might be worth you posting a query on the Great War forum under the section, Interpreting Medal Index cards, and in the meantime I'll cointact an RF expert friend of mine who may be able to shed a little more light.<br /><br />Best wishes<br /><br />PaulPaul Nixonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12354531380984476532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1944079581687608453.post-84318809528248113102011-01-02T20:42:38.755+00:002011-01-02T20:42:38.755+00:00I really must congratulate you on such a useful an...I really must congratulate you on such a useful and interesting website. I have a query which I hope you can help with. My grandfather, Cpl Walter Bale was a baker and joined the ASC 1914 (S/4/035946) and went to France in Jan 1915. According to the medal roll, he transferred to the 2nd London Regt. (probably the 2/2nd) on 27/6/1918. What confuses me is that his medal roll gives his number as G/92246 which is a pre-1917 number. On the MIC it reads first 2nd London Regt. 241833, then underneath in different ink/handwriting G/92246.<br /><br />On the medal roll there are 3 other ASC transfers on the same date, all of which have similar 5-digit numbers without the G prefix (92248, 92251 and 92253).<br /><br />I have two theories, one that he transferred to the battalion before 1918 and got the G/ number or secondly that he transferred in 1918 and got the 6-digit number but for some reason was re-numbered after the war between demob and the medal roll being prepared in 1920.<br /><br />I realise that you don't tackle ASC numbers but given that his records don't survive I wanted to see what I could deduce from his service numbers.<br /><br />Look forward to any light you can shed on this mystery.<br /><br />Happy New Year<br /><br />MarkUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16296350135967358549noreply@blogger.com