tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1944079581687608453.post401238739186052501..comments2024-03-18T18:08:58.999+00:00Comments on Army Service Numbers 1881-1918: 4th Royal Irish Dragoon Guards - 1882 enlistmentsPaul Nixonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12354531380984476532noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1944079581687608453.post-24393458099649117772019-10-08T18:29:56.728+01:002019-10-08T18:29:56.728+01:00Thank you for replying Paul.
I have the scan of h...Thank you for replying Paul.<br /><br />I have the scan of his medal index card and the original of the Second Class Certificate of Education. My money would be on the individual who was having to write large numbers of medal index cards making a transcription error.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1944079581687608453.post-6791045645790978142019-10-02T07:03:09.606+01:002019-10-02T07:03:09.606+01:00Are you looking at original documents or transcrip...Are you looking at original documents or transcriptions? If the latter, I'd suggest there's a transcription error, particularly if the other three digits are identical.Paul Nixonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12354531380984476532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1944079581687608453.post-33099016353738995722019-09-30T18:21:07.308+01:002019-09-30T18:21:07.308+01:00Thank you Paul,
Given the numbers that you list f...Thank you Paul,<br /><br />Given the numbers that you list for the 1882 enlistments I guess we can assume that the 8xxx number is correct and the number on the medal index card is wrong (3xxx numbers probably relate to enlistments before his birth in 1897)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1944079581687608453.post-42856767940434798422019-09-30T09:38:06.188+01:002019-09-30T09:38:06.188+01:00No, the numbers weren't re-used but a new regi...No, the numbers weren't re-used but a new regimental number series by corps rather than regiment had been introduced for line cavalry in January 1907. See this post for more information on this topic: http://armyservicenumbers.blogspot.com/2009/03/queens-kings-regulations-regimental.htmlPaul Nixonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12354531380984476532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1944079581687608453.post-81990174970034145602019-09-01T22:42:24.537+01:002019-09-01T22:42:24.537+01:00I have a Second Class Certificate of Education awa...I have a Second Class Certificate of Education awarded to my great uncle in 1914 when he was 16 years old and described as "Boy ...". His service number is given as 8xxx. His medal records card gives his number as 3xxx (where the xxx digits are the same in both cases). Given that the 1882 numbers noted above are in the 2000 range is the number on the medal records card wrong and should be 8xxx? Or were numbers re-used?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1944079581687608453.post-69375197103400637392018-08-04T18:13:43.595+01:002018-08-04T18:13:43.595+01:00You'd be unlikely to verify this without a ser...You'd be unlikely to verify this without a service record I fear.Paul Nixonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12354531380984476532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1944079581687608453.post-34622079525475206792018-07-28T17:09:57.488+01:002018-07-28T17:09:57.488+01:00I found your article very interesting regarding th...I found your article very interesting regarding the recruitment rate in 1881/82.<br />I am trying to establish whether a recruit that enlisted in September 1880 is my great uncle. His number is 2407 and he gave his age as 20. My great uncle would have been nearer 25. If, as you say, recruitment was slow I wonder whether they would have questioned it. He doesn't appear on either the 1881 or 1891 census so I presumed he was in the military.<br />Does anyone know?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12812555994274397136noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1944079581687608453.post-117927068454412172017-07-20T06:50:48.997+01:002017-07-20T06:50:48.997+01:00Probably in the band, yes. Write to the Irish Guar...Probably in the band, yes. Write to the Irish Guards at Wellington Barracks as they probably have a file on him still.<br /><br />PaulPaul Nixonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12354531380984476532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1944079581687608453.post-69789808916996015272017-07-17T21:46:23.231+01:002017-07-17T21:46:23.231+01:00I've just found a great uncle (Charles Gilbert...I've just found a great uncle (Charles Gilbert Meaden) who joined the 4th Dragoons in 1885 regimental number 3100. He was 14 yo at the time so would be interested to find out what role he took. Maybe a drummer boy?<br />Can anyone help.AlanD6333noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1944079581687608453.post-71267501136419919932016-11-24T17:41:09.498+00:002016-11-24T17:41:09.498+00:00Hi
Just discovered an ancestor of mine Frederick W...Hi<br />Just discovered an ancestor of mine Frederick William Dowden, joined the 4th on the 14/04/1882 in Aldershot (re. no. 2518, previously he'd been in the Isle of Wight Artillary Militia, he was IoW born and bred.Tabnabshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08348060188963862444noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1944079581687608453.post-21361014423339601972015-12-29T18:38:36.592+00:002015-12-29T18:38:36.592+00:00The Regiment was not a 'big' regiment. My...The Regiment was not a 'big' regiment. My great-grandfather was the QM (as a WO) when 4DG went to France in early Aug 1914. He later became the first QM of the 4/7DG in 1922.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1944079581687608453.post-67223359024297360702014-11-29T00:01:03.165+00:002014-11-29T00:01:03.165+00:00Thanks for commenting, Nim. Yes, could well be. It...Thanks for commenting, Nim. Yes, could well be. It's unlikely that the regiment over-recruited, once they reached establishment, recruiting was supposed to stop. I'd be interested to know how many other 4th DG men transferred to other regiments in the Corps of Dragoons, or indeed other regiments. <br /><br />PaulPaul Nixonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12354531380984476532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1944079581687608453.post-9057612522188433762014-11-27T15:22:22.275+00:002014-11-27T15:22:22.275+00:00Thank you for a very interesting blog page.
I'...Thank you for a very interesting blog page.<br />I'm been looking at the medal roll for the 1st Royal Dragoons at the battle of Abu Klea. Now 8 men on that roll also qualified for the Tel-El-Kebir 1882 medal but the 1st RD didn't go to Egypt in 1882. So where did they come from? I've been searching for them on other cavalry rolls and I've discovered that they were all transfered from the 4th DG about 1883!<br />So this is why I'm commenting on your site - because you say there was another slow down in recruitment in 1883. Do you think there is any link between men transfering out of the 4th DG and the slow down in recruitment at the same time?Nimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09318232054308274728noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1944079581687608453.post-177073940150323862012-11-12T09:44:23.433+00:002012-11-12T09:44:23.433+00:00I'm happy to record that, Jerry but please not...I'm happy to record that, Jerry but please note that excerpt is from the Naval and Military Press blurb rather than my own reconstruction of events.<br /><br />PaulPaul Nixonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12354531380984476532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1944079581687608453.post-43281318654255576482012-11-11T19:19:19.328+00:002012-11-11T19:19:19.328+00:00With respect to your information on Fourth Dragoon...With respect to your information on Fourth Dragoon Guards and their participation in the first actions of WW1, may I respectfully point out that it should read, in my opinion, 'Capt Hornby led the first charge, followed by Corporal Thomas firing the first shot' in that order. Also the German opposition in question was not 'sabered' they were put to the sword, British Cavalry as I am sure you are aware, did not carry sabres, they carried the 1908 pattern sword. Sharply pointed but no cutting edge. whereas a sabre is a totally different weapon. Small points you may thing but important nonetheless, or so my Grandfather told me. He was there.Jerry Cooleynoreply@blogger.com