tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1944079581687608453.post728697619575184233..comments2024-03-18T18:08:58.999+00:00Comments on Army Service Numbers 1881-1918: The Manchester Regiment - Regular, Special Reserve & Extra Reserve enlistments 1881-1914Paul Nixonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12354531380984476532noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1944079581687608453.post-80268926178194802282019-03-23T07:28:23.767+00:002019-03-23T07:28:23.767+00:00Bryan 1510. I'll let you know when I offer a f...Bryan 1510. I'll let you know when I offer a free research-on-demand service, shall I? Paul Nixonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12354531380984476532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1944079581687608453.post-77298673416314226652019-03-19T06:47:38.191+00:002019-03-19T06:47:38.191+00:00Why don't you even mention the 12th bn?Why don't you even mention the 12th bn?Bryan1510https://www.blogger.com/profile/11789026402347374692noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1944079581687608453.post-844225855484828662019-03-19T06:46:57.428+00:002019-03-19T06:46:57.428+00:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Bryan1510https://www.blogger.com/profile/11789026402347374692noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1944079581687608453.post-58271674402273717602016-07-24T14:21:54.849+01:002016-07-24T14:21:54.849+01:00Greetings Paul!
I came across your post whilst re...Greetings Paul!<br /><br />I came across your post whilst researching another of my WW1 relatives and would like to thank you for your efforts.<br /><br />Born in April 1893, my Great Uncle, James Francis McGreavy, appears on the 1911 Census, taken April 2nd, where his occupation is listed as "Apprentice - Finishing". His service number in the 1st Manchesters became 2205 and your post helped me asecrtain that Gt Uncle James must have finished whatever apprenticeship he had been undertaking to become a regular soldier a little while after that particular census. Prior to reading your post concerning the new numbering starting from "1" in 1904, I had struggled to reconcile his service number with his age etc. Thanks once again!<br /><br />SJBAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18242642639250097107noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1944079581687608453.post-53878661091268005822009-06-16T11:06:29.108+01:002009-06-16T11:06:29.108+01:00Many thanks for the estimate of his joining up dat...Many thanks for the estimate of his joining up date, it's much appreciated.PammyAnnyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01556641743517599587noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1944079581687608453.post-26608593192726408212009-06-16T01:26:06.735+01:002009-06-16T01:26:06.735+01:00Thanks for the offer PammyAnny, but not necessary ...Thanks for the offer PammyAnny, but not necessary thanks. Hi number though, indicates that he joined up pre WW1. The closest I can get is 1604 who joined on 24th Feb 1913, then I have 1673 who joined up on 25th April 1913. So I'd be guessing that George joined up late Feb or early March 1913.<br /><br />The geese are a permanent and pleasant fixture at the National Archives.Paul Nixonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12354531380984476532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1944079581687608453.post-86468010270946773152009-06-15T19:13:28.429+01:002009-06-15T19:13:28.429+01:00If copies of the 2 pages would be useful, I'm ...If copies of the 2 pages would be useful, I'm happy to send them.<br /><br />Yes, time flew at Kew. I'd planned for a long opening on Tuesday, but had to leave earlier than anticipated because of the Tube strike. Next time I hope to stay longer. Bonus was taking photos of a grey heron and an Egyptian goose outside.PammyAnnyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01556641743517599587noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1944079581687608453.post-84419867488989115782009-06-11T02:00:11.277+01:002009-06-11T02:00:11.277+01:00That's great; glad you had some luck with the ...That's great; glad you had some luck with the medal rolls and hope you enjoyed your time at Kew. I always find, on visits there, that there are way too few hours in a day.<br /><br />Paul NixonPaul Nixonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12354531380984476532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1944079581687608453.post-37819788378877240322009-06-11T01:47:52.783+01:002009-06-11T01:47:52.783+01:00I finally went to Kew yesterday to check the medal...I finally went to Kew yesterday to check the medal rolls and found that George Burton 1611 was in the 6th Bn. Hope that's of some use to you! Searched the burnt records, but no luck unfortunately.PammyAnnynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1944079581687608453.post-16355794460898271272009-03-22T05:12:00.000+00:002009-03-22T05:12:00.000+00:00Well Theatre 3 - as I'm sure you probably know - i...Well Theatre 3 - as I'm sure you probably know - is Egypt, so that narrows down the battalions that he could have served with by November 1914. It can't have been a regular battalion (they were in France) or a service battalion (not overseas until 1915) so he must have served with one of the Territorial Force battalions - and logic would suggest that it was probably his local TF battalion.<BR/><BR/>All of the Manchester TF battalions had issued number 1611 before Britain went to war in 1914 and in the case of the 9th Manchesters, the number was issued in the first half of February 1914. The battalion appears to have had something of a recruiting drive in early 1914 with around 300 men joining the Terriers between January and July 1914. You should also check http://www.ashtonpals.fusiveweb.co.uk (and probably contact the website owner to see if George Burton is on the database).<BR/><BR/>Finally, if 1611 is a TF number, he obviously transferred to the Labour Corps (and probably as a result of sickness or wounding) before the TF was re-numbered in 1917, otherwise he would also have a six digit number appearing on his medal index card.<BR/><BR/>Hope this helps.Paul Nixonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12354531380984476532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1944079581687608453.post-40674721654350003412009-03-21T19:21:00.000+00:002009-03-21T19:21:00.000+00:00Hi Chailey, thank you for the offer. George (Herbe...Hi Chailey, thank you for the offer. George (Herbert but he appears not to have used his middle name) Burton, service no 1611, Theatre 3 on 5/11/14.<BR/>Medals: British, Victory, 15 Star.<BR/><BR/>Labour Corps 666435<BR/><BR/>I visited the Manchesters about 6 months ago, at the beginning of my search, but didn't have his service numbers then. Yes, I'll go back again with considerably more idea now of the size of the task :)PammyAnnyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01556641743517599587noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1944079581687608453.post-56958244536808528682009-03-21T03:00:00.000+00:002009-03-21T03:00:00.000+00:00Thanks PammyAnny, glad you found it useful. You m...Thanks PammyAnny, glad you found it useful. <BR/><BR/>You might also want to check out the Manchester Regiment forum at: http://www.themanchesters.org/forum/index.php or post your relative's number here and I'll see whether I can narrow down his joining date. The numbers I have published on this blog are just samples from a far larger database.Paul Nixonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12354531380984476532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1944079581687608453.post-78556113652913171562009-03-20T22:34:00.000+00:002009-03-20T22:34:00.000+00:00What a stupendous piece of work, and it will proba...What a stupendous piece of work, and it will probably help me to identify the battalion my grandfather was in. I've hunted through the online records, record by record for the first 3 initials of his surname, but nothing. I was finally able to find out who had his medals and managed to identify his MIC from them. From your numbers, it looks as though he was in the 9th, but I'll have to check where they were in Nov 1914. Many, many thanks for all your hard work.PammyAnnyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01556641743517599587noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1944079581687608453.post-86094703778031075592009-02-04T04:12:00.000+00:002009-02-04T04:12:00.000+00:00Thanks Graham, yes I need to post a large caveat s...Thanks Graham, yes I need to post a large caveat somewhere concerning this - or probably large caveats on each of the posts. I take on board what you say and I have similar oddities in other battalions, some of which I've drawn attention to here - see my posts on the 23rd Londons and 5th Londons for instance. <BR/><BR/>As you will have found with the NF, I'm sure, even though the orderly system breaks down in places and new numbers start appearing, there are often patterns within those new series (again, see my post on the 23rd Londons as a very small example).<BR/><BR/>http://armyservicenumbers.blogspot.com/2009/01/23rd-county-of-london-battalion-london.html<BR/><BR/>But you're right to point out the anomalies of course. The blog is intended to assist researchers in ascertaining, from a regimental number, when a person joined a particular regiment / battalion and so I'll add the caveats I mentioned earlier.<BR/><BR/>Paul NixonPaul Nixonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12354531380984476532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1944079581687608453.post-29635295058688332912009-02-03T16:48:00.000+00:002009-02-03T16:48:00.000+00:00I do enjoy this site and take my hat off to you fo...I do enjoy this site and take my hat off to you for bringing it to the attention of those wishing to know more.<BR/><BR/>The numbering and enlistment dates of the 5th Manchesters as seen here seem to be pretty straight forward. However in reality it's too simplistic as you'll find that large numbers being transferred in will throw your enlistment dates well out.<BR/><BR/>My own database concerning the Northumberland Fusiliers has traced over 65,000 individuals and is still growing.<BR/><BR/>Dating origianl members of it's Territorials is pretty similar to the Manchesters, but once you start hitting higher four figure or six figure numbers, where transferred men are concerned, their enlistment dates throw the neat enlistment date pattern well out the window.<BR/><BR/>The NF had large Territorial drafts from Norfolk and Hertfordshire and the dates of their enlistment can date from 1908 through to 1916 and it's these that upset everything.<BR/><BR/>This could cause confusion among those new to the system. For instance;- "great uncle Ted was originally East Lancs(TF) and is numbered 4*** with tne 5th Manchesters, but he enlisted in 1912, why isn't his enlistment date following the pattern???????".<BR/><BR/>The same problem occurs with New Army battalions as the higher your numbers go the less chance that the man involved is infact a Manchester enlistment, with an enlistment date that just doesn't tally with the neat 1914/15 enlistment patterns from the Depot.<BR/><BR/>Do hope you don't mind my replying, but it's a problem I've already encountered.<BR/><BR/>Anyway all the best with the site,<BR/>Graham StewartAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com