Showing posts with label Grenadier Guards. Show all posts
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14 September 2018

Grenadier Guards - Other Rank PoWs 1914


There are 174 men on this list of men from the Grenadier Guards who were captured by the Germans on or before Christmas Day 1914. I have transcribed this data from the following Imperial War Museum collection:

B.O.2 1/174: a ten-page letter and list of Grenadier Guards sent by the Grenadier Guards Care Committee, Buckingham Palace Gate, London SW1 to Sir Ernest Goodhart on the 9th January 1919.

My full transcription of these men (not reproduced here) also contains the home address and/or next of kin address and date of capture of all of the men. 

The full transcription is available for sale for £25. Contact me if you would like to purchase a copy.

For more information about these so-called 'Princess Mary tin PoWs' see my 1914 PoWs page. The majority of these men will also have records published by the International Committee of the Red Cross. Searching is free; finding your man is another matter entirely.


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12499 Guardsman A Aivey, 15752 Guardsman T Attwood, 13282 Lance-Corporal R A Ayres.

15004 Corporal H Bacchus, 16048 Guardsman George Bade, 15527 Guardsman Robert Barker, 12967 Drummer E E Baxter, 11668 Guardsman G Beddows, 14530 Guardsman Bell,  12441 Guardsman G E Bellingham, 15429 Guardsman H P Bennett, 16349 Guardsman J H Bird, 15227 Guardsman T Booth, 14896 Guardsman G Brearley, 13136 Lance-Sergeant J Bridges, 13775 Guardsman R Briggs, 16627 Guardsman T F Brookes, 10920 CQMS T A Buller, 11520 Guardsman G Burgess, 16414 Guardsman H J Butt, 16695 Guardsman W G Bygrave.

14099 Sergeant Cann, 13355 Guardsman W Cartwright, 12521 Guardsman W J Chafer, 15669 Guardsman R V Chapman, 12263 Guardsman P Child, 12468 Guardsman A Churchman, 13017 Guardsman E Clements, 16596 Guardsman J B Coe, 14367 Guardsman Collier, 13391 Guardsman J Collins, 12832 Guardsman T Collins, 14374 Guardsman Collins, 16134 Guardsman F J Crick.

13435 Guardsman F Darvill, 11213 Guardsman C Davies, 14309 Sergeant Davies, 13226 Guardsman F Dawson, 14796 Guardsman G Day, 15320 Guardsman A H Dickenson, 15580 Guardsman W Dodd, 16584 Lance-Corporal E F Dryer, 14517 Guardsman Durman, 15877 Guardsman A Dyde.

16013 Lance-Corporal D East, 15011 Guardsman E Ebdon, 14566 Guardsman J Ellaway, 11967 Guardsman H Etheridge.

16687 Guardsman W F Farthing, 11542 Guardsman John Fisher, 14141 Guardsman Fleet, 14443 Guardsman A Fortescue, 15033 Lance-Corporal J H Foster, 15433 Guardsman F P Franklin, 12765 Guardsman Frank Fry.

11827 Lance-Sergeant T J Gilson, 13219 Guardsman L Graham.

13558 Guardsman J Haytor, 11893 Guardsman F Haywood, 15973 Guardsman A E Hessell, 15912 Guardsman J T Hincks, 8111 Drummer-Sergeant Hogan, 15563 Guardsman M G Hollyer, 11102 Guardsman I E Hopwood, 14598 Lance-Sergeant E N Horwood, 16164 Guardsman A Hoskins, 13340 Guardsman F Howard, 12288 Guardsman F R Howe, 13871 Guardsman C E Howes.

11296 Guardsman G Jarvis, 12529 Guardsman F Jones, 12553 Guardsman T A Jones.

5988 Guardsman R Kelow, 14075 Drummer F Kimber , 15948 Guardsman T J Kite

14178 Guardsman A L Larkin, 13971 Guardsman J Llewellyn, 12148 Guardsman A D Lloyd, 12252 Guardsman A D Love, 14520 Guardsman Lovell.

14105 Guardsman Maggs, 11664 Guardsman W M Mann, 11664 Guardsman W M Mann, 14368 Guardsman W March, 16384 Lance-Corporal Arthur L Massey, 16608 Guardsman C Mawson, 12942 Lance-Corporal W T McCann, 15449 Guardsman G Miller, 12536 Guardsman W H Miller, 14602 Guardsman Mingay, 14129 Guardsman Minney, 13622 Lance-Sergeant H J Mitchell, 15332 Guardsman G A Moody, 15981 Guardsman E J Moore, 14251 Guardsman Morley, 12917 Guardsman J Mortimer.

14595 Guardsman Neal, 11692 Guardsman W H Noble

14278 Guardsman Orchard, 13647 Guardsman A Ould

12385 Guardsman H Paintin, 9016 Corporal F Palethorpe, 12660 Lance-Sergeant S Parish, 14661 Lance-Corporal T P Pickering, 16605 Guardsman Henry C Pickers, 16294 Guardsman S R Pierce, 14645 Guardsman Piper, 12283 Guardsman Isaac R Polley, 13574 Lance-Corporal S F Polston, 13697 Guardsman G Pratt, 16051 Lance-Corporal R J Price, 14710 Guardsman A G Prior, 15473 Guardsman S E Pritchard, 16663 Guardsman C Prosser, 14025 Guardsman W Prout, 12648 Guardsman W E Pynn.

14021 Guardsman F Ranson, 13870 Guardsman H Rathbone, 12505 Guardsman B Rawlings, 15475 Lance-Corporal E Raybould, 11199 Guardsman A E Reid, 10660 Drummer F Reynolds, 14848 Guardsman W J Reynolds, 15582 Guardsman E Rhodes, 14022 Guardsman J Richardson, 12855 Guardsman G W Ridge, 16894 Guardsman J S M Robinson, 14283 Guardsman Rolls, 11682 Guardsman W Rowbottom.

16308 Guardsman A Sampson, 15947 Guardsman Sidney George Saunders, 13867 Guardsman W T Scally, 10423 Guardsman J Scholes, 16502 Guardsman W G Screen, 15132 Guardsman J Spencer, 16245 Guardsman J Spragg, 13597 Guardsman T Stacey, 16565 Guardsman W H Stafford, 13711 Guardsman H J Staley, 13291 Guardsman J J Stapleton, 13795 Guardsman G Startin, 13168 Guardsman C Steeles, 14509 Guardsman Stephens, 11911 Guardsman F Stokes, 15572 Guardsman A Swinscoe.

16456 Guardsman S R Tate, 14992 Guardsman L Taylor, 12317 Lance-Corporal T Taylor, 12254 Guardsman F E Thomas, 15679 Guardsman R Thomas, 13667 Drummer T H Thompson, 14316 Guardsman Thompson, 12999 Guardsman J Towey, 10682 Sergeant J Townsend, 13814 Guardsman W Tupling, 15379 Guardsman A Tweedy, 13670 Guardsman G Tye.

14647 Lance-Sergeant A Varley, 12984 Guardsman H Walker, 13299 Guardsman R H Ward, 13152 Guardsman J Waring, 13930 Corporal A Warren, 13100 Guardsman T Watson, 11632 Guardsman J Wedge, 13137 Guardsman W Wesley, 13809 Guardsman G R West, 11475 Lance-Corporal T Wheatley, 15479 Guardsman C Wheeler, 16896 Guardsman A White, 12409 Lance-Sergeant S J Whitehead, 12649 Guardsman W Williams, 12214 Sergeant R Wood, 14680 Guardsman E Wright.

14436 Guardsman Frank A Young.

The image on this post shows men of the 1st Grenadier Guards in Cologne in 1919.

9 March 2009

Dating photographs by regimental numbers



Andy Spiller has kindly sent me a photograph of four of his great uncles, circa 1905. Two of the men are dressed in the uniform of the St Giles and St George’s (Bloomsbury) 19th Middlesex Volunteer Rifle Corps (or "Bloomsburys" for short). Men from this Volunteer Corps and the Victoria and St George's (1st Middlesex) Volunteer Rifle Corps would later form the nucleus of the 9th (County of London) Bn, The London Regiment (Queen Victoria's Rifles) and so I've also posted the photograph above on the 9th Londons' post.

So when was the photograph taken?

The two Bloomsbury men - Ted and Harry Spiller - are seated. Behind them, left to right, stand 8023 Private Walter Spiller of the 2nd Battalion, Duke of Wellington's (West Riding) Regiment and 9698 Guardsman Arthur Spiller of the 1st Battalion, Grenadier Guards.

Walter Spiller enlisted on 20th July 1904 and Arthur Spiller on July 4th 1901. Just visible on Arthur's lower left hand sleeve is what looks like part of a good conduct chevron, awarded after two year's service. In any event, in this instance, Arthur's joining date is something of a red herring because the photo can only have been taken after Walter joined up in July 1904.

The two men wear the "Broderick" cap which, Andy Spiller notes, was phased out in 1906/07 as being too Germanic. Andy knows for a fact that one of his Bloomsbury great uncles, Harry Spiller (seated right), served with the Bloomsburys from 9th March 1905 until 31st March 1908, and therefore 1905 (or just after) looks to be the likely year that this photograph was taken. (7095 Ted Spiller had joined the Bloomsburys in 1901).

Walter Spiller, who would have been on the Reserve when Britain went to war with Germany in August 1914, was an early casualty. He was killed in action with the West Riding Regiment on 25th October 1914 and is commemorated on the Le Touret Memorial.

My thanks to Andy Spiller for responding to my appeal for photographs and for telling me the story of his soldier great uncles. You can read more about his family at Family Spiller.


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16 January 2009

Grenadier Guards 1881-1918

The Grenadier Guards is the most senior regiment of the Guards Division of the British Army and can trace its history back to 1656. It was unaffected by the 1881 Cardwell reforms and by 1881, was numbering in the high 7000s.

Service records for ALL of the following army service numbers survive in the WO 363 and WO 374 series at the National Archives. Also access these on Ancestry.co.uk.

7863 joined on 15th December 1881
7914 joined on 17th January 1882
8360 joined on 18th May 1883
9107 joined on 21st January 1884

In 1885 The Grenadier Guards reached number 9999 and so, in accordance with Queen's Regulations, immediately commenced a new series from 1.

139 joined on 1st December 1885
301 joined on 5th July 1886
794 joined on 29th january 1887
1371 joined on 3rd March 1888
1949 joined on 6th August 1889
2210 joined on 6th January 1890
3226 joined on 15th October 1891
3512 joined on 3rd February 1892
4220 joined on 13th February 1893
4707 joined on 29th January 1894
5162 joined on 21st January 1895
5808 joined on 23th May 1896
6327 joined on 3rd February 1897
7432 joined on 26th May 1898
7815 joined on 5th January 1899
8513 joined on 1st January 1900
9355 joined on 21st January 1901
10060 joined on 1st January 1902
10674 joined on 9th January 1903
11365 joined on 1st March 1904
11931 joined on 10th January 1905
12811 joined on 7th August 1906
13051 joined on 4th January 1907
13752 joined on 19th May 1908
14220 joined on 2nd February 1909
14648 joined on 17th February 1910
15164 joined on 13th march 1911
15795 joined on 26th March 1912
16247 joined on 25th January 1913
16866 joined on 2nd January 1914

The First World War

The Grenadier Guards had three battalions at the outbreak of the Great War and it would add a 4th Battalion, a 5th (Reserve) Battalion (both in August 1914) and a 1st Provisional Battalion (in August 1918). All battalions followed the same numbering sequence.

17168 joined on 8th August 1914
17745 joined on 1st September 1914
19626 joined on 3rd October 1914
20264 joined on 9th November 1914
21297 joined 8th December 1914
21530 joined on 4th January 1915
22727 joined on 3rd February 1915
23244 joined on 4th March 1915
23754 joined on 23rd April 1915
23984 joined on 31st May 1915
23981 joined on 1st June 1915
24179 joined on 27th September 1915
24213 joined on 2nd October 1915
24283 joined on 6th November 1915
24627 joined on 6th December 1915
25069 joined on 12th January 1916
25450 joined on 8th February 1916
25579 joined on 3rd March 1916
25764 joined on 17th April 1916
25853 joined on 18th May 1916
26014 joined on 21st June 1916
26162 joined on 13th July 1916
26288 joined on 7th August 1916
26477 joined on 4th September 1916
26759 joined on 12th October 1916
27274 joined on 14th November 1916
27499 joined on 3rd December 1916
28181 joined on 2nd January 1916
29003 joined on 5th February 1917
29578 joined on 15th March 1917
29846 joined on 16th April 1917
29881 joined on 4th May 1917
29939 joined on 13th June 1917
30079 joined on 3rd July 1917
30115 joined on 10th August 1917
30137 joined on 6th September 1917
30216 joined on 9th November 1917
30253 joined on 30th December 1917
30355 joined on 29th January 1918
30688 joined on 14th February 1918
30836 joined on 25th March 1918
30939 joined on 2nd April 1918
32570 joined on 2nd May 1918
34684 joined on 10th June 1918
35026 joined on 3rd July 1918
35133 joined on 11th November 1918

The postcard above was sent by 6680 Sergeant Edward William Helyer of Number 4 Company, Grenadier Guards on 25th September 1914 (see below). Less than a month later he was dead, killed in action at the First Battle of Ypres on 20th October 1914. The Grenadier Guards suffered catastrophic casualties at this battle, all but four officers and 200 men of the 1st Battalion, and four officers and 140 men of the 2nd Battalion, falling in action. Sergeant Helyer was born in Hackney and his number indicates that he joined the Grenadier Guards between June and November 1897. He is possibly the cross-legged soldier sitting in the middle as this man is wearing Boer War medal ribbons.

Sergeant Helyer has no known grave and is commemorated on panel 57 of the Menin Gate at Ypres, Belgium.





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Further Research:

Grenadier Guards pension and service records on Ancestry.co.uk

First or Grenadier Guards 2nd and 3rd Battalions in South Africa 1899-1902
This book is worth the investment for the 3rd Battalion rolls alone. I bought my copy from N&M Press some years ago and it's been very useful reference source.
 
http://www.naval-military-press.com/first-or-grenadier-guards-in-south-africa-1899-1902.html?&partner=PaulNixon
 
 
The Grenadier Guards in the Great War 1914-1918
This is a well-written account which comes in one soft-bound volume from N&M Press. Among the appendices are the Roll of Honour, a list of officers wounded with dates, lists of Awards, Mentions in Despatches and of Divisional Certificates of Gallantry and an account of the 7th (Guards) Entrenching Battalion. There is a table naming all other ranks who were commissioned during the war showing the regiment or corps to which they went. There is also an index to the names of officers.
 
http://www.naval-military-press.com/the-grenadier-guards-in-the-great-war-1914-1918.html?&partner=PaulNixon
 

Also read my other posts on numbering in the Foot Guards regiments:

Coldstream Guards
Scots Guards
Irish Guards
Welsh Guards

Identify a Foot Guards soldier by his uniform: Identifying the Guards - Army Ancestry

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